Poll Ballots – Week Three

As a pollster for the Buffalo News, I'm asked to send in my weekly ballots ranking the top ten large and small schools.  The polls are based on games played through Sunday of each week.  Here's a look at how I see them and some of the rationale used to get there.

 

Large Schools

1. Niagara Falls (AA) – After seeing how good Bishop Kearney played without Chinonso Obokoh against Joe's, I place even more value on how well Falls played that BK team at full strength.  On Friday they get the herculean task of facing Milton (GA) in the Burger King Classic.  Check out these  highlights of Auburn bound Shaquille Johnson, just one of four Division 1 starters for Milton.

2. Canisius (MMA) – The Crusaders are ready for a test after throttling O'Hara and St. Francis by a combined 87 points.  We'll see if St. Mary's or McKinley is able to give them one this week.

3. Jamestown (AA) – One of the better stories of this season is the Red Raiders success despite losing two first-teamers from last season. 

4. Bishop Timon-St. Jude (MMA) – One of the best surprises this season has been the inside play the Tigers have gotten from DeMilo Gibbs.  He led Timon to a win as he scored 25 points against Walsh, who put its focus on limiting Kobis and Williams (a combined 16 points).

5. St. Joe's (MMA) – The Marauders own 20-point wins against Williamsville East and Buffalo East.  This week they go global, welcoming China's Shanghai Nanyang high school to Kenmore Avenue on Tuesday.

6. McKinley (A1) – The Macks passed the first of several tests in the Yale Cup with a win at Hutch-Tech.  They'll  have their hands full on Saturday.

7. Kenmore West (AA) – Only losses to the top two schools in WNY.  No other team has gotten to within 12 points of the Blue Devils.

8. Williamsville East (A1) – Hamburg totally stole the Flames' thunder by ending Williamsville South's ECIC II win streak.  Will East will now have to focus on ending the Billies league championship streak instead.

9. Clarence (AA) – After a big win over Frontier, the Red Devils are tucked in right behind Will East with a one-point head-to-head loss. 

10. Hutch Tech (A1) – Followed up a tough loss to McKinley by going into East and winning a tightly contested battle.

 

Small Schools

1. Olean (B1) – Is it outrageous to suggest that the Huskies should consider petitioning to play an independent schedule in the two seasons following this one?

2. Depew (B1) – After stunning the Lancers with a buzzer-beating 3-pointer, the Wildcats dominated league rival Maryvale on the road. 

3. St. Mary's (MMA) – If there's a universal formula to apply when a team only losses by one on the road that would keep the Lancers in the second spot, I'm unaware of it.  For now, the Depew loss costs them one spot.

4. OTC/MEC (C1) – The Kats will have a chance to show everyone what they are made of when they face Stan Wier and the Blue Devils at the MLK Classic on Saturday.

5. East (B1) – How many small schools could beat Riverside?  Probably the four above the Panthers.  Like I said during the December beat downs, East will be just fine in the race for the Yale Cup.

6. Tonawanda (B1) – The first of three unbeatens in WNY.  I got my first look at the Warriors on Friday and came away quite impressed.  The best player in WNY that isn't being mentioned is Jesse Lalka.  More to come on him in the comments section.

7. Silver Creek (C2) – The second of WNY's unbeatens.  The unselfish style of the Black Knights is fun to watch.

8. MST Seneca (C2) – And the third.  Aaron Frasier is on a mission this year, and it continues Thursday when the Indians host I-Prep.

9. Newfane (B1) – They could have debuted much higher on this ballot if not for the loss to Albion.  They will fall off this ballot if they fail to end their five-year losing streak at Wilson.

10. Archbishop Walsh (MMA) – Wins over Portville, CSAT, Lackawanna, and Nichols was enough of a resume for me to give them the final spot.  Congratulations to Whelpley on his 2,000 career points.  The last guy to do that was Will Regan.

 

** With so many quality small schools vying for a place in the top ten, Panama and Dunkirk are left on the outside looking in.  For Panama, I had to consider whether the ten teams that got in would also have registered a pair of wins against Cassadaga Valley.  I believe they would have.

With Dunkirk, I wasn't ready to celebrate a loss.  Heck, in theory, a three-point loss to Olean makes them number two right?  Not really, or then we'd have to find a spot for Portville who only fell to the Huskies by nine (St. Mary's lost to Olean by eight).  East lost by 29, and I doubt anyone ranked Dunkirk ahead of them. 

A three-point loss to Olean would mean a lot more if there were any good wins to coincide with it.  Here's the list of schools Dunkirk has beat: Falconer, Eden, Brocton, Gowanda, Lake Shore, Frewsburg, and Southwestern.  Those seven schools have a combined 12 wins. 

 

-centercourt

79 responses to “Poll Ballots – Week Three”

  1. WT716 Avatar
    WT716

    Finally got to witness RA play last night. Granted it was an exhibition, but the Chinese team was pretty good. They had some height and their PG was very impressive. Reggie started off slow but picked it up in the second half. Ended with 23 points and 19 rebounds. He reminds me of UB’s Javon McCrea. Solid upper body with a long wing span, can dribble at the foul line crossing his opponents and has can make that 15 foot jumper. He still looks raw but he sure can play. I walked away impressed and can’t wait until January 27th. Think this is the first Friday night Canisius Joes game since I was a senior at CHS in 2006.

  2. Patrick Moran Avatar

    St. Mary’s is going to upset one of the “Big Three” in MMA basketball this year, I can feel it. They damn-near pulled it off against Canisius last night, Adam Weir, who I’ve been contending is the best player on that Canisius team and a strong POY candidate (at least to me) really saved their behinds last night. I love the MMA being open this season, Canisius is top-dog but anything but unbeatable. Timon is more than capable of handling them as is St. Joe’s because if Reggie is on his game, Canisius has no answer and the Marauders have enough role players to pull off an upset. Most think this is a lackluster season because it lacks some star power, but I’m loving it right now.

  3. Lucky13 Avatar
    Lucky13

    He reminds me of God’s Gift Achiuwa(ECC>St.John’s)

    CC, At the St.Mary’s game last night one of their cheerleaders did a length of the floor (not just half) tumbling routine beautifully that left her dizzy at the end, however. She swayed, staggered and finally went down. She played to the crowd as she got up exaggerating her dizziness and waiving. I don’t know if it was the same one that crashed into their bench at tha ECIC-MMA challenge but, if it is, she has no fear!

  4. centercourt Avatar
    centercourt

    Ha! Thanks for that report.

  5. hoopster Avatar
    hoopster

    Great reprint from espn.com of a passage in a hoops book, The Last Great Game. It talks about Christian Laettner, his background, type of per he is and his family’s relationship with K among other things. Check it out! http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7433262/how-christian-laettner-got-duke

  6. hoopster Avatar
    hoopster

    Pat, Lucky or anyone else, would love to read a summary of the Mary’s/Canisius game. Sounds like a real god one.

  7. McShea is God Avatar

    Here is a report – both Clarence and W North stink! That game was HORRIBLE 2 watch. If I was ever lucky enough 2 vote on the poll I would only vote 9 this week. What a down year! Taplin is still the best player on the floor but only really plays when he feels like it. I mean he refuses 2 play D. But he is a returning 3rd team player so he knows he will b on 1st team this year, and he should b, so maybe he is just laying low until Sectionals when all those 20 spots r picked.
    Why is my good friend CC having 2 waste his time pulling posts from u clowns trying 2 get my real name? Even my real name isn’t REAL! Ha! What is this Clark Kent-Superman? Why do u any of u care? There must b more important thing going on in your lives. Spend more time with your kids or wives?
    Don’t get any ideas anyway – even if u figure out who I am – I am not dating ANY of u. All the men on this blog r PIGS. Would never know who 2 treat a lady like myself.

  8. Patrick Moran Avatar

    From what I am told, Jaysean Paige has NOT committed to West Virgina, or any other school.

  9. Patrick Moran Avatar

    And while certainly not earth-shattering, I am going to have some other HS Hoops news that should at least be considered “noteworthy”– though I want to get something confirmed this evening, then I’ll post.

  10. Walter W. Avatar
    Walter W.

    Still playing the I’m a woman card? Okay, it’s still kind of funny, but why is it that as an advocate for woman being treated as equals are you so much more interested in the boy’s game than the girls? C’mon man, excuse me, C’mon miss, why is it so clear that if you had to choose between going to a girl’s game and or standing in front of a firing squad would you choose the firing squad? Figuratively speaking, of course.

  11. Patrick Moran Avatar

    I’m reporting that Timon head coach Jim Palano is retiring and ending his 39-year coaching career after this season.
    http://www.buffalosportsdaily.com/timons-palano-retire/

  12. centercourt Avatar
    centercourt

    Bob Huggins told me Paige has not commited to West Virginia.

  13. Centercourt Is God Avatar

    NOw THAT is some quality reportingg! Scoopa dupa!
    C-I-G is O-U-T!

  14. Sam Avatar
    Sam

    Mr. Centercourt please tell us about the Aquinas Bishop Kearney game.

  15. PJB Avatar
    PJB

    Sounded like a great game in Rochester. Big win for AQ. Is Bryant as good as advetised for BK. Seems to be based on last night and shutting down Reggie/St Joes over the weekend

  16. RD&C Avatar
    RD&C

    Speaking of Bishop Kearney and Aquinas, I find it interesting that McShea rants about their state classifications, but then WNY includes St. Mary’s in the Small school poll. I know this is not the prep talk blog, but many people on here have strong opinions about the State Classifications. What criteria do you use to decide which private schools are in which poll?

  17. Andrew Webster Avatar
    Andrew Webster

    RD&C,
    That’s a different thing entirely. St. Mary’s is in the Small School Poll because they’re a Class B school statewide and the Small School Poll is for classes B, C, and D, while the Large School Poll is for classes AA and A. Plus, St. Mary’s (unlike Bishop Kearney and Aquinas) does not compete in the NY State Sectional Playoffs, but rather the MMA (Monsignor Martin Association) playoffs, then the State Catholic playoffs if they make it that far (which they usually do).

  18. RD&C Avatar
    RD&C

    Andrew,
    Thanks for the clarification. Is it also possible for them to be an A for the state Catholic playoffs depending on how the do in the MMA playoffs. Kind of like Nichols, which I believe is B, but went as an A when they were really good. Are St. Joe’s, Timon, and Canisius always considered A’s. Nichols?

  19. Panthers Avatar
    Panthers

    PJB, contrary to popular belief Bryant at BK did not shut Reggie down. Reggie was triple teamed all game with primary defensive assignment to English. Bryant helped with triple teams when needed. Reggie’s main issue was early foul trouble and lack of continuity btw front and backcourts.
    Bryant is the real deal though. As young as he is he will continue to grow which means we still have not even seen how good he could be potentially. Exciting to watch play the game. But let’s see how he continues to perform.

  20. PJB Avatar
    PJB

    Panthers
    Thanks for the clarification, I was not able to see the game and had yet to speak with anyone who had.

  21. Andrew Webster Avatar
    Andrew Webster

    RD&C,
    I believe you are correct with your assumptions. My understanding (and I’m no expert) is that if St. Mary’s were to win the MMA playoffs they would be the A rep, and whichever one of the remaining B schools (Walsh, Nichols, Niagara Catholic, and O’hara I believe) would be the B rep. Also, I do believe that the big three of Canisius, St. Joe’s, and Timon, as well as St. Francis are always A.

  22. centercourt Avatar
    centercourt

    Andrew is correct on all counts.
    Also, as was the case with Nichols during the 2007-2008 season, if the “powers that be” decide St. Mary’s or any other small school was so good it warranted a bump, they would be reclassified as a an A rather than a B.
    There was a lot of discussion and debate on this topic on Prep Talk back in January 2008, when Nichols was moved to Class A and Timon was dropped to Class B. I believe a week after that happened, Timon beat Nichols.

  23. jackherlan Avatar
    jackherlan

    I don’t think Timon was ever dropped to a B.

  24. SJCI Avatar
    SJCI

    Timon represented the MMA one year as the B rep. Timon and Coach Palano received some flak because of it.

  25. RD&C Avatar
    RD&C

    so when Nichols was good they were in the large poll, but now they would be in the small poll?? whatever is convenient i guess. St. mary’s and all your private schools can draw from anywhere so they should be in the large poll, right?? hipocritical. That would solve your dilema of having too many good small schools to choose from. Put them where they belong, not whre they get the most recognition that year.

  26. jackherlan Avatar
    jackherlan

    I know I have said it as have others – the decision as to what STATE classification each private(those that play in the Catholic playoffs) school receives is decided downstate, that is in the NY area, and not made here. It is those distinctions that are used for the News polls.

  27. Food For Thought Avatar
    Food For Thought

    Do Patrick or any others have any info on how the class of 2011 is doing at the college level so far this year?

  28. WT716 Avatar

    Gordon Lyons from CHS is at Geneseo, averaging 14.5 mpg and 4 ppg. Aaron Nevins is at Utica from CHS has started all 12 games and averages 8 ppg. He has also been named Empire 8 rookie of the week 2 times.

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